Updated 4:30 p.m. EDT, Wednesday
In reaction to the Virginia Tech shooting spree, a Louisiana state lawmaker and higher education officials unveiled legislation Wednesday (April 18) to make clear that the state’s public universities can ban guns in student dorm rooms.
Legislation by Louisiana state Rep. Richard Gallot (D) seeks to remove any doubt that guns are banned from college dorm rooms, despite a conflict between a state law allowing Louisiana residents to keep guns in their homes and one banning firearms at universities.
The Louisiana proposal is the latest illustration of the collision between gun-free policies at state-run universities and state laws that are making it easier for citizens to carry firearms in other public places. While some states explicitly allow college campuses to ban guns, public universities such as Virginia Tech have had to defend their firearm restrictions in the face of laws in 48 states allowing citizens to get permits to carry concealed firearms. Sometimes, students have been the ones to challenge campus gun bans.
Virginia this year refused to pass legislation that would have let students with concealed-carry permits bring firearms on campus. The bill would have trumped a gun ban in effect at Virginia Tech, site of Monday’s rampage that left 32 people and the student shooter dead.
Gallot, who plans to introduce his gun-free dorm bill when the Louisiana Legislature convenes April 30, said he couldn’t get any traction when he pushed for the same measure in 2003. “But, in light of the events of (Monday), certainly I think it takes a tragedy sometimes for the public and for lawmakers to recognize that there is the potential for trouble,” he told Stateline.org.
The Louisiana Board of Regents, which oversees higher education, and administrators from Grambling State University, Louisiana Tech University and the University of Louisiana at Monroe are backing the legislation, Gallot said.
Ada Meloy, the director of legal and regulatory affairs for the American Council on Education, a national group representing colleges and universities, said she thinks most universities that have addressed the issue would prefer to ban the weapons.
“There generally is not a need to have weapons on a university campus, and I believe the prominent belief is that having weapons does not contribute to the campus atmosphere in a positive way,” she said.
But some gun bans have faced challenges from within their own student body. A graduate student at the University of Oregon unsuccessfully sued the school in 2004, claiming the campus’ policy banning firearms violated state laws that give the Legislature the power to make gun policy. At Ohio State University, the student government staged a campus-wide vote last year on whether to seek a legal change so that students could carry concealed weapons, a notion students overwhelmingly rejected. And in Minnesota, a student has threatened to sue over a 2003 policy prohibiting guns on campus.
In at least one state, the state’s concealed-weapons laws have trumped a college’s gun-free policy. The University of Utah last month gave up its six-year feud with the state Legislature to preserve the school’s gun-free policy. The Legislature prevailed in its efforts to include public college campuses under its law allowing citizens with permits to carry concealed guns. But a
new law signed last month by Gov. Jon Huntsman (R) allows students to request roommates who don’t have a concealed-carry permit.
State universities in Colorado and Nebraska have secured opinions from their state attorneys general backing up their long-standing gun bans even in the wake of new state concealed-carry laws.
The University of Colorado at Boulder sought the advice of the state’s attorney general in 2003 over the validity of its weapons ban, after Colorado lawmakers enacted a new concealed carry bill. Then-Attorney General Ken Salazar (D) upheld the university’s policy.
Bronson Hilliard, a spokesman for the university, said that despite occasional criticism, the ban has “widespread acceptance” even in a Western state that generally supports gun rights.
“The last thing you want on a college campus is a bunch of young, armed folks running around with varying levels of experience or training with handguns. It would not create a safe environment,” Hilliard added.
“College campuses are places of high passion. They are places of argument and debate and dissension. They are places where young people are figuring out who they are. You throw guns in the mix, and you have the prescription, I think, for more things like this, not fewer,” he said.
But Utah state Sen. Michael G. Waddoups (R), sponsor of a 2004 law that led to the invalidation of the University of Utah’s gun ban, defended the right of students and others on campus to carry guns. He said that gun permit-holders are responsible and have proven they have clean backgrounds.
“Unless the university can properly protect them, an individual should have the right to protect himself. If the university is able to protect them, I have no problem with them banning guns. But, so far, I haven’t seen any of them that are doing it,” Waddoups said.
To adequately protect students, universities would have to add more police and screen visitors for weapons as airports and courthouses do, Waddoups said.
Dave Workman, senior editor of
Gun Week magazine, said there is no reason to treat universities differently than other public spaces.
“Horrible crimes can occur whether the location is a college campus or an inner city. Criminals don’t make appointments and they don’t establish the venue in advance, they just attack and act and leave us to sort out the mess,” he said.
A 2003
survey by the Alliance for Justice, a Washington, D.C., advocacy group, showed that 82 of 150 of the biggest universities in the country ban all firearms on campus. All of the rest placed restrictions on firearms. Private universities and colleges can generally ban guns on their campuses, because of their rights as private landowners.
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By Altered Carbon on Apr 19, 2007 4:29:12 PM
Is Gallot serious? The legislature proposes banning guns on campus. Oh yeah, that'll help. Newsflash, Congressman, booze is also banned on most campuses, but that doesn't stop students from bringing it in. How about implementing some *real* measures to protect students from nutjobs who go on shooting sprees. Like for example, teaching local law enforcement to lockdown the *entire* campus when a gun-toting lunatic on the campus instead of just locking down the building he may or may not have just been to.
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LA legislation to create gun-free zones at colleges
By Harry Schell on Apr 18, 2007 7:20:34 PM
The legislator who proposes this clearly does not understand that the gun-free zone of Virginia Tech made it SAFER for the murderer to kill people.
A Brady Campsign spokesman noted sadly that the students were "defenseless".
This is because Virginia Tech is a gun-free zone. The school's policy set up a safe place for a murderer to kill as many people as he could.
Use a little common sense. If you were a murderer, would the threat of disciplinary action by a school deter you from going there with a gun?
Answer this question: If you were a murderer and wanted to kill a lot of people, would you go to a) a police station, b) a firing range, c) a mall where you might encounter armed police, security or, in VA, an armed citizen, or d) a gun free zone where you are unlikely to meet any resistance?
The UK has strict weapons controls so that the average Brit cannot even carry a pocket knife. Guns are freely available to criminals, gun crime is rising and overall violent crime is the highest per capita of any nation in the developed world. People who act in self-defense are penalized. The country is an island surrounded by coasts controlled by countries which also have strict gun controls but if there are fewer gun deaths, the average Brit is at higher risk to be a victim of violent crime than the average American.
The UK situation is what the Brady Campaign has as its goal. More helpless people at the beck and call of criminals, not a people who have a means of effective self-defense.
The decision to overturn Washington DC's gun ban was based on the the right to self defense of citizens in DC. The city banned guns and said it would protect citizens. It has manifestly failed to do this, and abridged the right of self-defense of citizens. The Court's only remedy was to overturn the ban. Governement cannot take fundamental rights from people.
The Second Amendment was installed so that citizens could defend themselves from the predation of outside forces, their own government and criminal elements within their own communities. The firearm was and is the most effective means of personal self-defense available. If you read the history and writings of the Founders and others, their concern was not so much with a militia as with personal and community self-defense.
Not everyone should be armed, even if they otherwise could be. Well managaed "shall issue" programs have proven that when some citizens are properly trained and carry, all are safer. The data is piling up, and it points one way. Brady, Bloomberg and other anti-gun cadre are flat wrong.
A very odious part of their position is that people like Bloomberg, Feinstein, Pelosi, Boxer and others have millions in personal wealth to buy all the security they want. Few of the rest of us do, and yet they insist we should disarm and let government handle our safety (even when all the evidence proves it can't). They won't, but we should. Elitism gone mad, I think.
More gun-free zones will just create more safe places for criminals, including psychotic murderers, to ply their trade safely. This is not a common sense response to evil.
Use some
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