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Friday, May 16, 2008

Calif. gay marriage ruling sparks new debate

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(Updated 5 p.m EDT, June 12, 2008)

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The California Supreme Court reignited a political wildfire with its ruling legalizing same-sex marriage in the most populous state in the union, but the issue already has burned out in more than half the states.

More than four years ago, Massachusetts’ first-in-the-nation decision legalizing gay marriage sparked a political backlash that resulted in voter-approved constitutional bans on same-sex weddings in 23 states. Four states already had constitutional protections.

This year, voters in three more states — California, Arizona and Florida — are likely to consider similar bans.

In addition, high courts in three states — Maryland (2007), New York (2006) and Washington state (2006) — already have ruled against gay couples’ claims that matrimony is a state constitutional right. Two other courts, New Jersey (2006) and Vermont (1999), ruled that same-sex couples have the right to the benefits of marriage, but not the title. A similar case is awaiting decision in Connecticut, and Iowa’s top court is expected to decide a gay marriage case in 2009.

Addressing the issue another way are nine states, including California, that have adopted marriages alternatives – either domestic partnerships or civil unions. Forty-one states have statutes barring same-sex marriage, as California did, but the laws are subject to challenge.

With Congress so far unable to muster the two-thirds support needed for an amendment to the U.S. Constitution to ban same-sex marriage, the political battlefield over same-sex marriage in the wake of the California ruling has shrunk to a little over a dozen states that have not either protected their constitutions against rulings in favor of gay marriage or adopted marriage alternatives.

Although its effect on other states may be minimal, California’s historic decision could energize voters on both sides of the issue as they go to the polls to choose the next president on Election Day.

The three leading presidential candidates differ on the issue. Democratic frontrunner U.S. Sen. Barack Obama says he personally believes that "marriage is between a man and a woman," but also says that "equality is a moral imperative" for gay and lesbian Americans. His primary opponent, U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton, opposes same-sex marriage, but favors civil unions in which gay couples receive full recognition and benefits. And Republican Sen. John McCain says he opposes gay marriage.

All three candidates voted against a proposed amendment to the U.S. Constitution that would ban same-sex marriage, according to research by the Pew Forum on Religion, which, like Stateline.org, is funded by the Pew Charitable Trusts.

In California, historically a bellwether of social change and home to hundreds of thousands of gay couples, the advent of same-sex weddings could profoundly affect public attitudes toward same-sex marriage, experts say. But in the weeks before the high court decision, state polls indicated Californians were equally split on the issue.

Following the decision — which overturned a 2000 voter-approved statutory ban on gay marriage — Republican Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said he respected the ruling and reiterated his earlier opposition to the proposed constitutional ban. In 2005 and 2007, however, Schwarzenegger vetoed bills that would have legalized gay matrimony.

While most political attention is focused on same-sex marriage, gay couples have recently gained greater acceptance in several states with marriage alternatives, including domestic partnerships and civil unions.

In 2007, Oregon enacted a broad domestic partnership law that, like California’s groundbreaking 1999 statute, grants gay couples all the same rights and responsibilities enjoyed in traditional marriages. Also in 2007, Washington state joined Hawaii and Maine in adopting domestic partnership statutes that bestow certain spousal privileges, such as rights to hospital visits, approval of organ donations and inheritance without a will.

New Hampshire Gov. John Lynch (D) signed a law in May 2007 calling for same-sex civil unions, making the state the fourth to grant gay couples all state-level rights and benefits of marriage, but without the title. New Jersey began issuing civil-union licenses to same-sex couples in February 2007, joining Vermont and Connecticut in pioneering the marriage alternative.

Most moves to liberalize marriage laws have occurred on the nation’s coasts, but a county trial judge in Iowa ruled in August 2007 that the state’s legislative ban on same-sex marriage violated equal rights protections in the state’s constitution. The case is now pending before the Iowa Supreme Court.

Connecticut’s Supreme Court is set to rule any day on whether civil unions fall short of fulfilling the rights of same-sex couples seeking to officially wed.

Even if the number of gay weddings in the United States is minimal so far — some 10,000 marriage licenses have been issued to gay couples in Massachusetts — the uproar over same-sex marriage has been deafening. In the last five years, the issue has rocked every state capital and inflamed passions in Congress and presidential campaigns, as advocates of equal rights for gays and lesbians faced off with religious and other socially conservative groups committed to protecting traditional marriage.
 
National polls indicate a majority of Americans oppose same-sex marriage. Forty-nine percent of Americans oppose same-sex marriage while 38 percent approve of it, according to May 2008 national poll by Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, which like Stateline.org is supported by the Pew Charitable Trusts. That's an increase of more than 1 percent per year in the number of people who approve of gay marriage, when compared to a July 2004 poll by Pew in which 56 percent opposed and 32 percent supported legal matrimony between gays and lesbians.

Outside the United States, same-sex marriage is slowly gaining ground. The Netherlands legalized gay marriage in 2001, followed by Belgium and the Canadian provinces of Ontario and British Columbia in 2003; Quebec, Canada, in 2004; Spain and all other Canadian provinces in 2005; and South Africa in 2006.
 
As with many U.S. civil rights issues, courts have held the keys to marriage rights for homosexual couples. Only one state legislature not under court order — California in 2005 and 2006— has passed a bill to legalize same-sex marriage, but Schwarzenegger vetoed the measures.
 
While the Massachusetts ruling touched off the most recent four years of political frenzy over gay marriage, a Hawaiian circuit court judge in 1996 was the first in the nation to side with a same-sex couple denied a marriage license. Rather than risk a state Supreme Court decision in favor of gay unions, Hawaiian voters in 1998 rewrote their state constitution to give lawmakers, not the courts, the right to define marriage, and lawmakers subsequently voted to prohibit gay nuptials. 
 
The Hawaii case sparked similar action in Congress, resulting in then-President Bill Clinton signing the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) in 1996. DOMA codified states’ right to decide whether to allow or ban same-sex marriage and defined marriage as a union between a man and a woman for federal purposes, such as claiming tax breaks for spouses and receiving deceased partners’ Social Security benefits.
 
Since 1973, 42 states enacted statutes similar to the federal DOMA, including California. But statutory bans were seen as providing limited protection that could be trumped if the courts found — as in Massachusetts and California — that denying a marriage license to a same-sex couple violated a right granted by a state constitution.
 
The first states to enshrine bans on same-sex marriage in their constitutions acted before 2004: Alaska, Nebraska and Nevada. Hawaii voters in 1998 also used their constitution to block gay marriage, though its amendment differs from those now passed in 26 other states. It cuts judges out of deciding gay-marriage rights but doesn’t include a definition of marriage as a union between a man and woman.
 
After Massachusetts issued the first marriage licenses to same-sex couples, voters in 13 states in 2004 rushed to rewrite their constitutions to limit marriage to heterosexuals. Two more states passed constitutional bans on gay marriage in 2005 and eight more in 2006. Arizona in 2006 became the first and only state so far to reject a ballot initiative to ban same-sex marriage.
 
Only three states have no laws either condoning or prohibiting same-sex marriage: New Mexico, New York and Rhode Island.
 
Federal attempts to change the U.S. Constitution to prohibit same-sex marriage nationwide have faltered. In 2004, President Bush announced his support for an amendment to ban gay marriage, but the Republican-controlled Congress in both 2004 and 2006 was unable to muster the two-thirds majority needed to send the issue on for ratification by 38 state legislatures. In 2007 and 2008, the new Democratic-led Congress kept the issue off its agenda. 
 
The same-sex marriage controversy also is creating a host of legal issues beyond the question of whether gays should be granted marriage licenses.

Cases in Michigan and Ohio tested whether those states’ constitutional same-sex marriage bans had unintended consequences.

This year, Michigan’s Supreme Court held that the state’s ban prohibited public universities, state agencies and local governments from offering health insurance to partners of gay and lesbian employees.

In Ohio, two lower courts cited the state’s gay marriage ban in denying protection under domestic violence laws to unmarried couples, although the state Supreme Court decided in July 2007 that the constitutional same-sex marriage prohibition did not affect the state’s domestic violence statutes.

Michigan and Ohio are among 17 states whose constitutional gay-marriage bans are written broadly and go beyond defining marriage as a union between a man and a woman to potentially prohibiting other rights of same-sex partners.

As with traditional marriages, not all same-sex marriages and civil unions have lasted until “death do us part.” As a result, state courts also are beginning to deal with divorce, child custody and probate cases involving same-sex couples.

In 2006, a Virginia judge gave sole custody of a child to a biological mother who is separated from her partner in a Vermont civil union. The case is now before the Virginia Supreme Court. In Vermont, the Supreme Court ruled that the non-biological parent may have visitation rights.

In Rhode Island, Attorney General Patrick C. Lynch broke new ground in February 2007 with a legal opinion making the Ocean State the first to recognize same-sex marriages performed in Massachusetts. In December 2007, however, the state Supreme Court ruled that couples marrying in Massachusetts could not divorce in Rhode Island.

Taking a different approach, a New York trial court in February 2008 recognized the Canadian marriage of two New York women and ruled the state did have authority to grant them a divorce.

New Jersey’s attorney general concluded in February 2007 that the state would honor civil unions from Vermont and Connecticut, and give civil-union status to couples married in Massachusetts or Canada and those registered as domestic partners in California. New Hampshire’s new civil union law includes a provision recognizing civil unions performed in other states.

You can find a great deal of information on same-sex marriage on these websites: The nonpartisan National Conference of State Legislatures offers background information; The Human Rights Campaign, the nation's largest gay rights advocacy group, has a Marriage Center webpage; DomaWatch.org, a project of Alliance Defense Fund, a conservative Christian organization based in Scottsdale, Ariz., tracks same-sex marriage litigation and legislation. The Washington D.C.-based Family Research Council, a conservative lobbying group opposed to same-sex marriage, has a Marriage and Family webpage

Stateline.org will list other helpful resources as we find them. This "Backgrounder" is a work in progress and will be updated as warranted. Here are some facts at a glance in FAQ form:

What states allow same-sex couples to marry?



Massachusetts on May 17, 2004, became the first state to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples who are residents. California’s Supreme Court ruled on May 15, 2008, in favor of gay marriage. But marriage licenses were not expected to be granted in California for at least 30 days after the ruling, and foes of gay marriage still could derail same-sex marriages with a proposed measure for California’s November 2008 ballot that would overturn the court ruling with a constitutional ban on same-sex weddings.

Massachusetts state law blocks out-of-state couples from marrying there. California will accept marriages of gay couples from Massachusetts and Canada, which allow them.

As of May 2008, more than 10,000 marriage licenses had been issued to same-sex partners in Massachusetts. Gay-marriage opponents attempted to force a statewide vote in 2008 to forbid such unions, but the Legislature voted to reject the measure at a June 14, 2007, Constitutional Convention.

For a period of time in 2004, marriage licenses were issued to same-sex couples in violation of state law in San Francisco, Sandoval County, N.M., New Paltz, N.Y., and Multnomah County, Ore. Courts intervened and invalidated these marriages.

On May 10, 2007, the Suffolk County Superior Court in Boston approved the legality of Massachusetts marriage licenses issued to some 170 gay couples from New York. At issue was a 2004 decision by then-Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney (R) prohibiting out-of-state gay couples to marry in the Bay State if their home state prohibited same-sex marriage. The Suffolk County court upheld Romney’s ruling on July 6, 2006, but ruled in 2007 that gay New Yorkers who wed in Massachusetts before that date had valid licenses.


Where are same-sex couples currently suing for the right to marry?



Legal challenges seeking permission for gays and lesbians to marry are pending in two states: Connecticut and Iowa.

A lower court in Connecticut ruled in July 2006 that excluding gay couples from marriage does not violate the state constitution because the state’s civil union policy provides equal access to state spousal benefits. The case was appealed in November 2006 to the state Supreme Court, which is expected to make a decision any day.

In Iowa, a county judge ruled Aug. 31, 2007, that equal protections in the state constitution guarantee gay and lesbian couples the right to marry. The case, filed in December 2005, is now pending before the state Supreme Court.


What is the difference between civil unions, domestic partnerships and marriage?



Vermont created civil unions in response to a 1999 ruling by the state's Supreme Court ordering the Legislature to provide same-sex couples "the common benefits and protections that flow from marriage under Vermont law." Connecticut in April 2005 voluntarily became the second state to adopt civil unions. New Jersey in February 2007 began issuing licenses for civil unions after its Legislature — within weeks of an October 2006 state high court ruling similar to Vermont's — opted to adopt civil unions rather than marriage for same-sex couples. New Hampshire Gov. John Lynch (D) signed a law in May 2007 approving civil unions. Civil union laws in both New Jersey and New Hampshire recognize civil unions performed in other states.

California and Oregon have nearly identical schemes that allow couples to register as domestic partners and claim all of the state benefits conferred on husbands and wives. California’s law was enacted in 1999 and extended to include all benefits in 2005.Oregon’s law was enacted in 2007. Washington has a domestic partnership law – adopted in 2007 and expanded in 2008 -- that includes most, but not all marital benefits. In a third category, Hawaii (1997) and Maine (2004) have registries that convey only a handful of benefits, including hospital visitation rights and inheritance without a will.

Unlike traditional marriages, civil unions and domestic partnerships are invalid outside the state in which they are granted – except in states that expressly accept them -- and do not provide any federal marriage benefits. Federal protections conferred by marriage include 1,138 laws and policies, such as Social Security, family medical leave, federal taxation and immigration policy.


What is the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA)?



Since 1973, 42 states, including California, passed so-called Defense of Marriage statutes, which define marriage as solely a heterosexual union. Most of these laws are modeled after the federal Defense of Marriage Act, which was passed by Congress in 1996 and signed by President Bill Clinton. It bars federal recognition of same-sex marriages and allows states to ignore gay marriages performed elsewhere.


What about states without same-sex marriage bans?



Only three states now have no laws either condoning or prohibiting same-sex marriage: New Mexico, New York and Rhode Island. Rhode Island Attorney General Patrick C. Lynch broke new ground in February 2007 with a legal opinion making the Ocean State the first to recognize same-sex marriages validly performed in Massachusetts. Later that year, however, the Rhode Island Supreme Court ruled the state could not divorce a couple married in Massachusetts. In contrast, a New York trial court in February 2008 recognized a same-sex marriage performed in Canada and ruled the state did have authority to grant the couple a divorce.


Why enshrine same-sex marriage bans in state constitutions?



Constitutional amendments banning same-sex marriage are seen as the best way to prevent courts from ruling that statutory same-sex marriage bans are unconstitutional and to forbid legal recognition of same-sex marriages performed in other states. Twenty-six states have changed their state constitutions to define marriage as a union between a man and a woman: Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Colorado, Georgia, Idaho, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia and Wisconsin. In addition, Hawaii has a constitutional amendment prohibiting state courts from legalizing same-sex marriage, instead leaving the decision to the Legislature, which currently prohibits same-sex marriage.


Are all constitutional amendments banning same-sex marriage alike?



No. In nine states, amendments simply define marriage as a union between a man and a woman. But in 17 states — Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Nebraska, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, Virginia and Wisconsin — constitutional amendments go beyond defining marriage. In two of the 17 states — South Dakota and Nebraska — amendments specifically prohibit civil unions and domestic partnerships. Amendments in the other 15 states contain broad language interpreted as prohibiting any type of spousal rights.


How do same-sex marriage bans affect employee benefits?



Courts and attorneys general in several states have concluded that prohibitions on same-sex marriage are not intended to prevent same-sex couples from sharing health benefits.

But gay-rights advocates are concerned that some broadly written same-sex marriage constitutional bans can be interpreted as prohibiting businesses and governments from extending benefits to employees' same-sex partners. An appeals court in Michigan ruled in February 2007, affirming the state attorney general’s finding that local and state governments, including state universities, cannot offer employee benefits to same-sex partners because of the state's same-sex marriage ban.


Are there legal challenges against the federal Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA)?


In May 2006 the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit dismissed an appeal brought by two men who challenged the constitutionality of the federal Defense of Marriage Act, and the U.S. Supreme Court declined to consider the case in October.


What is the Federal Marriage Amendment (FMA)?



President Bush in 2004 gave his support to the idea of a federal marriage amendment (FMA) to the U.S. Constitution that would ban same-sex marriage nationwide. Several versions of an FMA were introduced and voted on in Congress between 2004 and 2006, but none came close to receiving the required two-thirds support needed to pass. Federal amendments also would require majority approval in 38 of the states’ legislatures to be ratified into the U.S. Constitution. The president can offer his opinion but is not involved in the amendment process.

Related stories:

Gay marriage decisions ripe in Calif., Conn. (previous version of this "backgrounder" including earlier comments)
50-state rundown on gay marriage laws

Former Stateline.org Staff Writer Kavan Peterson did much of the research for this “Backgrounder.” 

Editor's Note:
 A previous version of this backgrounder incorrectly reported the number of states that have passed state laws since 1973 banning same-sex marriage.



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Straight for Gay Marriage
By Jennifer Jackson on Jul 28, 2009 4:07:28 AM

This is what I don't understand: Who am I or anyone else to be arrogant enough to think I should decide someone else's marriage? Most Americans that vote against gay marriage vote that way because of THEIR beliefs. They are entitled to those! That does mean they should be given the right to take someone else's rights away. I am astonished at how many states have these gay marriage bans. It is obsurd! The U.S.Constitution was created for ALL of our people! It was not written with the intent to exclude those different than the majority. It was meant to set standards and protection for the United States! Approving same sex marriage will not cause more crime, it will not effect the lives of the majority, nor will it take away the beliefs of the people that does not find it fit! It will simply say that WE ARE ALL EQUAL! Where does it say you are equal IF you are heterosexual, you are equal IF you are a majority, or you are equal IF you are a Christian? That is not stated! But that is the message that America keeps sending out. It would not affect my life or any other straight person's life if a gay couple were to marry. That is a personal decision, one that should be left to each individual. After all, no one should take God's place and give themselves the RIGHT to be the JUDGE.

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gay marriage rights
By anita gatter on Jan 22, 2009 6:48:59 PM

I have never even thought for a second that i would find myself in love with a woman. I fell in love with Patricia valdez and we have been happily in love for 4 years now. We are raising 2 young girls who cherish Patricia and they are not ashamed of our relationship. Everyone in Sierra Vista knows who we are and they are so proud of us and we are accepted everywhere we go. I believe that everyone should have the same respect and the same rights as everyone else that dont understand that love is unconditional and if two people love each other and want to be together and raise a family; well i believe they should have every right. Everyone says they are doing whats right for God well God says do not judge the living and he didnt approve of men and women either but no one sees it that way either that they are sinning as well. But who am i to judge right? I just hope thst people who are in love will soon be able to get married just like other poeple who are in love can. I can wait cause we will still be together as long as we live and thats true love.

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Worrie about you'r Heaven & Hell, And i'll worrie about mine!!!!!!
By Amy Sizemore on Aug 25, 2008 10:40:54 AM

Society is pitafull this many can plainly see.I'm divorced w/2 childern and have still been thru hell do to my ex-husband during the past 10 yr's!! I am now with a woman! I've had many gay friend's over the past 19 yr's and being almost 36 yr's old this past year and a half i've been with my woman!!
But it took me 8,1/2 year's to find some one that i want'ed to be with! I date'd like 6 guy's for a month or less over the course of 8,1'2 yr's but there were no spark's happening. Plus i'm extremly picky as well.
And when i met Trish i was attract'ed to her and did'nt want to be! But i could'nt help falling in love with her. She is my perfect match!!!!
My children are 8,&4 yr's old and love her to death! And she is the male rolemodel influence with our kid's that my CRACKSEXUAL EX-HUSBAND sure as hell can't be this is for damn sure people!!
Hey we all have our own belief's and opinon's God and what the bibble say's! And i'm here to tell you if i go to hell then i go! Cause i was probally going anywat's,Considering what all it take's and require's to get there!
But at least i'm not fake and go to church prentending to be all about God then turn around and constantly sin! Knowing that i'm doing it the entire time!! And then ask for forgiveness on sin's i keep repeating!
I know It's either God or some type of force around me! Cause none of you know what i know and have with him/them. there's more to it then just the bible people!!
And he's not made me feel in my heart that it's wrong to be with Trish!! Everything happen's for a reason
And i had give'n up on love untill i met trish! But regardless those who don't like it let God deal with me! Worrie about you'r own live's not our's!
Hell most everyone's brain washe'd in some kinda way anyway's! It's not to God'ly to hate now is it??? But people are diffrent! we all are. Enjoy the live's you have instesd of causing drama for other's for real!
Cause the fact's will be face'd and the older generation's won't be here forever and the younger one's will be stepping up into office and changing law's that are wat to anceant anyway's!!

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Gay rights.
By sarah logan on Jun 9, 2008 1:17:54 PM

So I'm not really a teacher but
I'm 15 years old and I'm bi-sexual.
I really don't understand why you
straight people are so worried about
gay marriage. It's not like we are a different
species that you have never seen. We are humans.
Just like you straight idiots out there.


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i am a ohio resident
By mindy cook on Jun 3, 2008 7:34:38 PM

I AM A OHIO RESIDENT AND THERE ARE ALOT OF US GAY AND LESBAIN COUPLES THAT HAVE BEEN PARTNERS FOR A PERIOD OF TIME AND I THINK LOVE IS LOVE YOU CAN'T HELP WHO YOU FALL IN LOVE WITH...
ME AND MY PARTNER HAS BEEN TOGETHER FOR ALMOST 6 YRS AND WE HAVE A SON TOGETHER AND HAVE FULL COUSTODY OF MY NEICE AND I DO BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE HAPPY JUST AS YOU STRAIGHT PEOPLE DO. LOVE IS LOVE AND WE LOVE ONE ANOTHER LIKE YOU STRAIGHT PEOPLE LOVE EACH OTHER ... LOOK UP THE WORD LOVE AND SEE WHAT OT MEANS IT THE SAME IF A STRAIGHT GIRL LOOKED IT UP AS IF A GAY PERSON LOOKED IT UP THE MEANING IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE JUST BECAUSE WE LOVE THE SAME SEX .... jUST GIVE US A CHANCE TO BE HAPPY WITH YOU ALL .
THANKS FOR LISTENG


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Same Sex Marriage
By Mary Harding on May 29, 2008 2:11:05 PM

I am proud to say that I am a Bible Based person and I grew up knowing that this great land I was born and raised in was based on the Holy Bible.

That does not mean we do not respect other forms of Religions but we always have retained that in this country the fact that America was build on the Belief of the bible and also that English was the number one language.
Lately we have caved in to anyone that comes here to live in our country and demands we change our rights. example, like we can not have the ten Commandments displayed in a Public building, We have the Holy Bible used to swear on in Courts and when the President is sworn in, are we now to see that a prayer before meals, or before public events will have to end??? Will our currenceny that indicates "Under God we Trust" have to be done away with also because it is not of the liking of a few???? If yu come here to live, you are welcome, we ask very little, just come here LEGALLY, pay your way like the rest of us have to, enjoy your own Religious view points but, do not expect us to give up any of ours. Learn to speak the language of the land, does not mean you can not enjoy your own language also but do not expect us to change our schools to make it easy for your child, We have many nationalities here, we are unable to have the entire united States learn all the languages that are now coming here to live. We Welcome you to our home and invite you to make it your home also but do not expect us to allow our land to change to met your ways. If you are unhappy with our life here then please feel free to return to where ever you came from, the place that lives the way you want to live. Do not tresspass on our Land.

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Same Sex Marriage
By Mary Harding on May 29, 2008 2:10:45 PM

I am proud to say that I am a Bible Based person and I grew up knowing that this great land I was born and raised in was based on the Holy Bible.

That does not mean we do not respect other forms of Religions but we always have retained that in this country the fact that America was build on the Belief of the bible and also that English was the number one language.
Lately we have caved in to anyone that comes here to live in our country and demands we change our rights. example, like we can not have the ten Commandments displayed in a Public building, We have the Holy Bible used to swear on in Courts and when the President is sworn in, are we now to see that a prayer before meals, or before public events will have to end??? Will our currenceny that indicates "Under God we Trust" have to be done away with also because it is not of the liking of a few???? If yu come here to live, you are welcome, we ask very little, just come here LEGALLY, pay your way like the rest of us have to, enjoy your own Religious view points but, do not expect us to give up any of ours. Learn to speak the language of the land, does not mean you can not enjoy your own language also but do not expect us to change our schools to make it easy for your child, We have many nationalities here, we are unable to have the entire united States learn all the languages that are now coming here to live. We Welcome you to our home and invite you to make it your home also but do not expect us to allow our land to change to met your ways. If you are unhappy with our life here then please feel free to return to where ever you came from, the place that lives the way you want to live. Do not tresspass on our Land.

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gay marrage
By mark tack on May 19, 2008 1:28:37 PM

I can not believe in todays advanced civilization that people are so "Homo-Phobic" that they could care less or not WHO the hell marries who. How on God's green earth could it possibly effect you. Do you know someone who is gay, and wants to marry? are they going to take your jobs and add to the struggling economy like Illegal Aliens? Is letting them marry going to raise the price even further on already suicidal prices? Uf they marry, will they begin to plot terrorist activities that harm our Troops? If they marry, is it going to take money out of your pocket, food from your mouth, endanger your life, or cause wide spread panic? Then what the living hell do you Bible thumping Homo-Phobes give two squirts of monkey water if they get married or not! Why should us Heterosexuals be the only ones to be misserabl? Let the gay people go through the same thing we do. BUT, MOST IMPORTANT, If two people really love each other, and want to share the rest of their lives together, Who the hell are you to say they can not. What right do you have to take away their right to LIFE,LIBERTY, AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. Sound familiar? just because they are Gay, does this mean that they arenot American citizens, afforded the same rights as you or I? I am an retired U.S. Navy veteran, and I have served overseas fighting for the pursicuted people that could not defend themselve against the mighty tyrant. WE are doing it now. So I will defend the rights of American citizens to enjoy the freedoms that are afforded to them under the Bill of Rights, and the Constitution of th eUnited States of america against the most formatable ENEMY to our nation. Predjuduce. Mark E Tack, United States Navy (ret.)

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